Titanic1985

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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 3:54:12 PM
Hello yodudebc,
You and I have added a new dimension to the secondary question of your Topic, that being reliability. I do appreciate your latest feedback and it does seem that non-OEM TPMS components may be questionable. This, to those who keep their vehicles for a lengthy period of time (approximately 7 years) will exceed the non replaceable battery life of the TPMS valve assembly. Will the valves then leak, as I experienced, or report erroneous tire pressure readings. Additionally, if a person decides not to replace the TPMS valves by the approximate battery life, then they will incur not only the purchase of new valves, but the work involved breaking down the tire and rebalancing it.
I do not think this safety law was well thought out and definitely did not have future issues in mind.
Take care :-). MGY
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mybigtruck

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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 3:44:17 PM
yes, but I don't rely on them. I check periodically and refill with air as necessary, esp when the weather changes in the fall/winter
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FuelPump

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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:06:20 AM
No, and as problematic as they seem to be, I can't say they are something I want very badly.
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:58:31 AM
yes and no
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04Ram1500

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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 10:09:55 AM
Yes
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04Ram1500

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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 10:05:39 AM
Yes
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:49:35 AM
Yup. Nope.
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fatfed

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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 8:04:04 AM
YES
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russells350

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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 7:56:12 AM
yes
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 12:50:08 PM
Hi Titanic. My original equipment Goodyears needed replacement so I started with the Toyota dealership. Even with a $70 rebate from Michelin or Bridgestone, I was looking at a thousand bucks. Costco in Vancouver offered the same tires for about $750. Costco in Bellingham Washington offered an out-the-door price of $435, plus Canada would honour the US road hazard warranty. While the technician was slapping on the new Bridgestone rubber, we got to talking about TPMS, and strangely enough this led to a discussion of the pros and cons of Les Schwab, a discount tire retailer in Bellingham. According to the Costco man, the Les Schwab TPMS replacement units were causing nothing but problems. Costco had a different supplier, and there was always the Costco warranty to fall back on.
He said that what I had on my 2009 Corolla was only the first generation of TPMS and he agreed that it was a crude affair. Still, it could keep you from ruining a tire if you remembered to pay attention to that amber idiot light. There are more sophisticated units available on newer cars. He (and I) believe that original equipment is the way to go most of the time, and that often cheap Chinese replacement parts are way too expensive in the long run.
Take care!
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Titanic1985

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 10:05:24 PM
Hi Cirdan,
You said, "Two slow leaks over the past year -- both were caused by the TPMS sensors." You've brought up a new issue with the TPMS system, one that I just recently experienced and found new knowledge of.
My wife's 2007 Dodge Caliber picked up a nail on the way to work. I bought her a 12 VDC inflator, but she chose to go to a pay for air station. As I stated earlier, these units are not maintained by the customers or the owners and the inflator actually broke off the TPMS tire valve. I bought one from NAPA and the next day the tire was again flat. The tire garage ordered a second and we had the same experience. Finally, the manager of the tire garage order two more of different brands. The problem was fixed.
A few weeks back, I picked up a piece of metal and was at the tire garage and a buyer from NAPA was there. I found out two interesting things. NAPA recently changed suppliers (reasons unknown) and the new ones were causing problems. The second item was that, according to him, NAPA sells a rebuild kit for the valve stem. It is slightly over $5.00 and includes the tool to take the inner parts out. He said there is a torque specification when replacing the inner parts. I wonder if my tool, from my garage days in 1968-1969 will work on these TPMS valves. With the old standard valve stems, I found quite a few that leaked (you put saliva on the end of the valve stem & see if it bubbles) and would replace the inner parts rather than break down the tire and rebalance it. That is why I still own the tool.
Hey, yodudebc. If you hear any more about this rebuild kit or TPMS valves leaking, please let me know. This is a new revelation to a subject we've both extensively covered. The two NAPA valves were leaking at the rim. This kit sure beats the dealer cost of $85.00 or NAPA's at $50.00.
Thank you both :-). MGY
[Edited by: Titanic1985 at 5/19/2013 10:07:33 PM EST]
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giwan

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 8:48:32 PM
Yes and yes I do
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CaptainAnhyzer

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 8:43:23 PM
yes
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STEVE853

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 1:31:14 PM
Yes
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Cirdan

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 1:19:06 PM
It has them. The door sticker says inflate to 38 psi, the idiot light goes on at 33 psi, so there's a wide range.
Two slow leaks over the past year -- both were caused by the TPMS sensors. So the TMPS did a good job of warning me that the TPMS was causing loss of air.
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dhmac

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 1:18:04 PM
No
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psm80134

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:22:09 PM
Yes.
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 10:21:24 AM
yes
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STEVE853

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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 12:37:21 PM
Yes
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blckwolf

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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 11:50:22 AM
My truck, motorcycle: No. Wife's car: Yes, and yes, we rely on them - my wife will let all the air out of a tire if she tried to check it, so, when the light comes on, I take it to the station and fill the tire up.
[Edited by: blckwolf at 5/18/2013 11:51:41 AM EST]
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punchy60

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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 11:35:28 AM
Yes and no.
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 10:53:13 AM
yes
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forestghost07

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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:34:40 AM
both cars have one shared pressure sensor ... ME
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Titanic1985

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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 6:20:04 PM
Hello,
I know I posted this statement numerous times on the many TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) Topics, but it is worth repeating.
In the United States a Federal law was written to incorporate the TPMS system in ALL vehicles manufactured after September 1, 2007 under 10,000 GVW. This law was enacted after a series of Ford SUV fatalities associated with severely under-inflated tires which caused catastrophic tire failures and subsequent SUV rollovers. The law, written in 2002, allowed for a gradual implementation of the TPMS system up to 9/1/2007.
TPMS systems became mandatory in Canada and Europe in 2012 and in Japan in 2013.
The real question by yodudebc, a co-contributor or author of these many Topics, is do you rely on them. From the experiences and hundreds of GBs the answer has to be a resounding "NO". Some have reported having totally flat tires and no amber warning light on, a mandate of the law. Others have reported inaccuracies of the tire pressures reported for those vehicles equipped with displays that show the actual tire pressures.
I hope this clears things up a bit :-). MGY
[Edited by: Titanic1985 at 5/17/2013 6:25:13 PM EST]
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jimmy544

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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 4:23:55 PM
No they don't seem to work. They are the old GM kind and we had a near flat last fall and there was no detection of it.
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d_clark

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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 2:19:12 PM
Have them, but don't rely on them
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kellyoneal

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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 1:57:06 PM
yes
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 12:41:20 PM
yes but I still have to check
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mdr46

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 2:21:45 PM
Yes, my trucks has TPMS. But I still check the tire pressure about once a week with my tire gauge.
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 10:17:14 AM
si
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DDubyu

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 10:11:57 AM
Yes
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bearone2

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 9:24:34 AM
no
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CactusRoper

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 8:26:51 AM
No
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nichols

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 8:13:30 AM
unfortunately yes, another cost because some are too lazy to do anything
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 3:42:12 PM
yes and no
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Happyherman

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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 10:08:51 PM
Yes and yes!
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kellyoneal

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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 9:51:06 PM
Yes
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johnchase

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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 9:00:24 PM
Yes
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waynecz

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Message Posted: May 9, 2013 8:49:33 PM
One car does and its just more of an annoyance than a good feature wish it did not have the sensor
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yodudebc

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 9:38:09 AM
si
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lled

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 8:30:21 AM
yes
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andyboy2

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 7:14:36 AM
yes
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Jmac2008

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 6:45:13 AM
Yes and Yes
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Ratso

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 6:23:36 AM
Yes...no I dont rely on them, the info is just a tool...
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contiki

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 6:13:36 AM
No......
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RalphHightower

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 6:06:10 AM
yes
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DanFMA

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 5:49:07 AM
Yes. 30#
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GLM4205

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 5:47:29 AM
Yes and no.
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jl1rp

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 1:32:53 AM
no
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streetcars

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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 12:45:12 AM
no
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