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China poised to lead U.S. in clean energy

New York Times -- Over the past decade, whenever I went to China and engaged Chinese on their pollution and energy problems, inevitably some young Chinese would say: “Hey, you Americans got to grow dirty for 150 years, using cheap coal and oil. Now it is our turn.”
It’s a hard argument to refute. Eventually, I decided that the only way to respond was with some variation of the following: “You’re right. It’s your turn. Grow as dirty as you want. Take your time. Because I think America just needs five years to invent all the clean-power technologies you Chinese are going to need as you choke to death on pollution. Then we’re going to come over here and sell them all to you, and we are going to clean your clock — how do you say ‘clean your clock’ in Chinese? — in the next great global industry: clean power t

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alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:2,475 Points:578,175 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:36:09 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse China has higher fuel economy requirements than the United States.
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:8,561 Points:1,377,825 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:26:44 PM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse So, how much are you willing to pay to lead? Research is not free. Reconfiguring the infrastructure is not free.
tc316 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:4,049 Points:780,155 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:24:28 PM Ignore tc316 Report Abuse We need to lead
4thWatch Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,358 Points:422,505 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:18:49 PM Ignore 4thWatch Report Abuse Yeah... we can do that here. It's just that we've already spent all of the tax payers money in every other country in the world but our own!
Dale Jr. Champion Author Illinois Posts:11,266 Points:2,255,650 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:14:47 PM Ignore Dale Jr. Report Abuse As much oil they are using and with the addition of buying Hummer off of GM I doubt it.
fcdriver Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,829 Points:595,520 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:12:25 PM Ignore fcdriver Report Abuse keep conserving
RedRam2005 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,539 Points:600,300 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:03:53 PM Ignore RedRam2005 Report Abuse They only thing China will lead us to is socialism and communism. But then the congress and the media will finally be happy.
channce All-Star Author Columbus Posts:882 Points:369,870 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:03:31 PM Ignore channce Report Abuse Greed is destroying everything. There is nothing resembling statesmanship these days. There is just bullies shoving each other around until someone wins and we all lose.
snell snail Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,878 Points:1,686,720 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:02:43 PM Ignore snell snail Report Abuse ...doesn't sound like a plausible conclusion....
Tucker1961 Sophomore Author Seattle Posts:202 Points:21,125 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:56:11 PM Ignore Tucker1961 Report Abuse Has nothing to do with the green economy it's about monnnney
amearly Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,181 Points:1,492,570 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:55:41 PM Ignore amearly Report Abuse Same country that is stocking up more gallons of gas and oil to use for them selfs so how is that leading the way in clean energy.
vegaland Champion Author Houston Posts:2,403 Points:501,795 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:50:13 PM Ignore vegaland Report Abuse They've been getting a free ride on pollution, but they can't avoid the end result of all the pollution they're generating.
QueenMother Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,715 Points:1,218,275 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:44:46 PM Ignore QueenMother Report Abuse Time will tell.
NightDiver Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,021 Points:732,835 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:39:23 PM Ignore NightDiver Report Abuse We'll have to wait and see who will develop the technologies 1st.
Bou Champion Author Maine Posts:6,356 Points:1,700,115 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:36:19 PM Ignore Bou Report Abuse I hope that's not true, we can and will out invent them.
genef01 Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,153 Points:697,365 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:35:58 PM Ignore genef01 Report Abuse Bonanza, you are correct. Unfortunately it's going to be sooner rather than later unless this country changes a lot of things very quickly. We are headed toward becoming a socialist state rather than a democracy.
jwduke1 Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,300 Points:2,216,410 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:34:37 PM Ignore jwduke1 Report Abuse China lead the way?? No way!
Lawndawg Sophomore Author Sacramento Posts:105 Points:146,115 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:33:49 PM Ignore Lawndawg Report Abuse China, where is the trick?
Beau2140 Champion Author New York Posts:3,335 Points:676,560 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:33:43 PM Ignore Beau2140 Report Abuse Its a funny thing how they steal our technology and seem to get away with it. This will be no exception.
Gassie1 Champion Author Akron Posts:7,204 Points:1,089,665 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:33:22 PM Ignore Gassie1 Report Abuse They are very smart people, give credit where credit is due.
mdegug Champion Author Rochester Posts:1,060 Points:393,775 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:32:59 PM Ignore mdegug Report Abuse China in their dreams
kbierley Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,629 Points:1,071,935 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:31:02 PM Ignore kbierley Report Abuse That will be the day! Give me a break!
leeso1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,637 Points:435,105 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:28:29 PM Ignore leeso1 Report Abuse something's wrong with this link---can't pull up the full article
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,143 Points:533,560 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:28:16 PM Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse No, they will just do what they have been doing for years. Steal the technology. Patents here do not apply in China.
gg42210 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,899 Points:332,970 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:26:01 PM Ignore gg42210 Report Abuse the new york times will say anything for a buck.
K1500 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,055 Points:187,170 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:23:34 PM Ignore K1500 Report Abuse That nasty, smoggy country where those from out of country had to wear masks during the Olympics?!? Yeah right, when pigs start flying!
car253 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,996 Points:543,200 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:23:26 PM Ignore car253 Report Abuse The Obama administration has no idea how to develop an energy policy.
macbeth2012 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,783 Points:336,985 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:20:36 PM Ignore macbeth2012 Report Abuse Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
spudly03 Champion Author Boise Posts:1,140 Points:276,740 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:16:09 PM Ignore spudly03 Report Abuse The Chinese govt has a way of convincing the people to do things.
Bonanza Champion Author Boston Posts:6,211 Points:1,571,665 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:11:18 PM Ignore Bonanza Report Abuse Someday, they will own us
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korklenut All-Star Author Tacoma Posts:755 Points:153,655 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:04:14 PM Ignore korklenut Report Abuse Write or say anything to pass cap and trade. THats what all the liberals do. This is going to tax the hell out of us!
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,884 Points:610,655 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:04:04 PM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse better to sleep than the nightmare we're going through now
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,103 Points:528,585 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:56:18 PM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse We slept for 8 years, no wonder were behind.
ByGuy Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,216 Points:783,710 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:55:33 PM Ignore ByGuy Report Abuse I have a hard time trusting what the NY Times says.
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:4,120 Points:799,890 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:52:37 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse Yeah, let em be dirty so we can sell them the technology... sounds like a plan... then again... do we have the desire to do it.
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salog Champion Author Columbia Posts:3,515 Points:876,005 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:43:39 PM Ignore salog Report Abuse yes, but we didn't have a billion people at the time.
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Pi314CA Champion Author San Jose Posts:3,839 Points:700,140 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:36:12 PM Ignore Pi314CA Report Abuse China... clean energy... less pollution... I'll have to see it to believe it.
EagleEye16 Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:3,913 Points:702,390 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:30:10 PM Ignore EagleEye16 Report Abuse I don't know about being a leader in clean energy, but take a look at the tags on everything in the stores. I'd say China is pretty close to being a leader in manufacturing.
mk9999 Champion Author Rochester Posts:2,947 Points:690,270 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:27:13 PM Ignore mk9999 Report Abuse Nothing in China is clean.
stugha Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,161 Points:266,065 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:26:59 PM Ignore stugha Report Abuse All they got to do is wait for someone to invent the technology then they copy it and use it if it suits them, or sell it back to us..
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Mowerman08 All-Star Author Milwaukee Posts:959 Points:429,700 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:10:32 PM Ignore Mowerman08 Report Abuse I'll believe it when I see it!
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